The JW Defense YouTube channel aims to "defend Jehovah's Witnesses from false and misleading claims made by apostates and opposers"
The JW Defense YouTube channel aims to “defend Jehovah’s Witnesses from false and misleading claims made by apostates and opposers”

Few people would envision that an organization with 8 million publicity agents in 230+ lands, a zero-tolerance approach to dissenters, and a recent windfall of 1 Billion dollars from property sales, is in need of a defender on YouTube.

And yet that is precisely what Watchtower now has.

Step forward “JW Defense” – a new YouTube channel dedicated to “defending Jehovah’s Witnesses from false and misleading claims by apostates and opposers.”

Quite what these fallacious claims are has yet to be clarified, but JW Defense has made a spirited start nonetheless with a video attacking “Apostates of Jehovah’s Organization.”

This article originally showed an embedded version of JW Defense’s video. He has since removed it from YouTube without making any apologies, but it can still be seen in my rebuttal videos below.

If the above video sounds familiar, that is because the narration is an almost verbatim copy of parts of the “human apostates” talk from the 2013 District Convention. This website has already commented on how this talk employed the same “name-calling” strategy that Watchtower has previously denounced as a propaganda tactic.

Unable to resist such a gilt-edged opportunity to confront a Watchtower apologist on YouTube, I set about making a series of three video rebuttals to the claims made by JW Defense. Here is the end product…

A key part of the above rebuttal was my observation of a delicious irony.

JW Defense repeatedly accuses so-called apostates of being liars, bent on deceiving people. You would think that, in making such a bold claim, JW Defense would be only too ready to unleash an avalanche of evidence demonstrating the lies that are spread by apostates. After all, to make an accusation without evidence is to risk slandering the one you are accusing. And yet, not a single piece of evidence is offered in the 8-minute video.

JW Defense thus trespasses Watchtower’s own definition of an apostate as elaborated in a 1961 Watchtower, which says (bold is mine)…

“From the words of Jesus it is apparent that the evil slave is a traitor. How does he show it? By beating his fellow slaves and by associating with those who are disreputable in God’s sight, ‘the confirmed drunkards,’ spiritually so. Does he beat his fellows with a literal rod? No, for the laws of the land would not permit that. Rather, he seeks to cause pain to his fellow slaves by hard and bitter speech, by slander, false propaganda, by assertions for which no proof is given nor indeed can be given. This he does both by the spoken and the printed word. He is like Diotrephes, concerning whom the apostle John wrote: He ‘likes to have the first place among them, [and] does not receive anything from us with respect . . . chattering about us with wicked words.’—3 John 9, 10.” (w61 7/1 p. 410)

Having pointed out key flaws such as the above in JW Defense’s video, I “threw down the gauntlet” (as it were) by repeatedly challenging him to a video debate, either by phone or Skype. This challenge was further reiterated in a direct message that I sent to JW Defense via YouTube.

To my surprise, a lengthy reply was received, which said in part…

“In my video titled ‘Welcome to JW Defense’, I explain that the channel is ‘made by a Jehovah’s Witness for Jehovah’s Witnesses and anyone interested in learning the Truth about what the Bible really teaches’.

Therefore, the video ‘Apostates of Jehovah’s Organization’ takes the assumed position that JW’s have the Truth and are indeed Jehovah’s Organization. From that position, the points presented in the video are logical and scriptural (if indeed JW’s are in fact Jehovah’s organization). Since this video is primarily directed towards other JW’s, I didn’t see the need to add more information other than what was presented at the district convention talk…”

JW Defense concluded by asking that I remove my video rebuttal series from YouTube, saying…

“I’d appreciate it if you didn’t continue your response to my video and if you can take down the response you currently have, as I feel that it is not necessary considering this clarification. Considering the info is essentially the same, you can always respond to the actual talk given at the District Convention, an audio recording is currently on YouTube.”

I have since replied to the above by pointing out that, if this man’s target audience is Jehovah’s Witnesses ONLY, then there is surely no necessity in regurgitating material from a District Convention talk on YouTube. Or does he feel that the Governing Body’s efforts in reaching all Witnesses via the District Convention arrangement are somehow lacking, and must be supplemented by his efforts?

As to the request for me to take down my rebuttal, I have declined. I find it intriguing that, having boldly ridden to the rescue of the Watch Tower Society, this man is now effectively hiding behind its trouser leg by asking me to redirect my arguments towards the organization he has set out to defend.

My reply to JW Defense also sought clarification as to whether he will be responding to my YouTube challenge. Thus far, no answer is forthcoming.

 

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74 thoughts on ““JW Defense” YouTube channel takes aim at apostates

  • December 24, 2013 at 3:49 am
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    Nice one John. Whilst this horrible organisation may have dominion over it’s followers, when it trespasses into areas where free speech and ‘independent thinking’ are allowed (like youtube), then we have every right to blast them with the truth.

  • December 24, 2013 at 3:57 am
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    And are comments enabled o JW Defense videos???.. No. Guess we have to write to Bethel..

  • December 24, 2013 at 4:17 am
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    Does not this guy realise the absurdity of starting with the understanding that JWs are God’s organisation?

    I could use that tactic to demonstrate that the BBC is staffed exclusively by bisexual flying pink unicorns. My argument would be underpinned by the presumption that the BBC is in fact staffed exclusively by bisexual flying pink unicorns!

    I would brush aside all objections by explaining that my vid. is directed solely to all those possessing that said ‘truth’, namely that the BBC is staffed exclusively by bisexual flying pink unicorns!

    • December 24, 2013 at 4:45 am
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      So funny Rowland, and so true!

    • January 15, 2014 at 4:07 am
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      Clear logic :) heh heh

  • December 24, 2013 at 4:25 am
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    Ahhaha. I love it when J Witnesses try to stick up for their cult. Nice one Cedars. Good point about the free speech on youtube too- would like to see individuals like this try to defend their videos if they were to leave comments open. Haa.

  • December 24, 2013 at 5:52 am
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    Why does the author even feel the need to put this out there? Not to count service time right? Because it’s intended primarily for JWs right?

  • December 24, 2013 at 6:23 am
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    What is even better than that is that the WT corporation brings them down somehow because their own members infringe their own organization’s copyright :)

  • December 24, 2013 at 6:26 am
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    John, like always, you turn every rock up side down to see if what is being said has any truth or validity. The narrator of the this video is so partial towards JW beliefs, that he doesn’t realize how ridiculous his attempt’s are, to address his view on apostates to everyone on YouTube. YouTube has a large audience and it would be of benefit to him, if he could provide any factual arguments towards his claims on apostates. The fact that he left them out is because there aren’t any to be shared.
    John, thank you for your wonderful work that you do, and the time you take to demonstrate to all sincere independent thinkers, that there is another side of the argument.

  • December 24, 2013 at 7:15 am
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    Hello folks! Merry non denominational winter holiday to you all!

    After sitting through JW Defence’s poorly spelt and slanderous video, it was a relief to watch Cedars’ 3 rebuttals.

    Well done, John! I could not have done better myself.

    Well, as an atheist apostate, I find it kind of tricky to draw of followers as they all have the disadvantage of believing in God! I get so angry that I can’t have complete, unaccountable control over 8 million people that I make up lies about……

    I could go on, but it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

    I do feel a little sorry for the poor sap. This individual is rebuffed by his or her own organisation.

    I wearily assume that no examples of my lying, drawing away followers, etc has subsequently been provided?

    On a personal note, I am bitterly disappointed that I can’t be your disciple, John!!! I have begun growing my “Cedars Beard” and everything!!!!!!

    Thanks for what you do.

    Peace be with you

    Excelsior!

  • December 24, 2013 at 7:16 am
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    Ó como eu gostaria de entender plenamente o inglês!!!!! Esse vídeo deve está bombando em todo o mundo e, eu, por não compreender muito do que o irmão diz no vídeo, estou como que ‘fora desse mundo’.

    Lamentável. Vou entrar numa escola de inglês ano que vem . . .

    Parabéns, irmão Cedars.

    Apóstolo TDS desde São Paulo, Brasil

  • December 24, 2013 at 7:17 am
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    That’s one of the big problems with Witnesses, they don’t want to hear a dissenting opinion. They’re all about the output. “This is what you need to think, this what you believe, this is how you feel, we demand you believe this thing, everything is good, and now we’re outta here.” Look at the Watchtower study… your answers are right there in the paragraph, and don’t you dare stray from what’s been provided. Try asking them a real question at the door and they leave, because they’re looking for “honest-hearted ones,” meaning ones who will swallow their bull without questions.

    The problem is, how can they really address the concerns and questions of people if they don’t listen? JWs never listened to any of my concerns growing up, so they never got answered, so I’m not in. Rather than getting angry and resorting to ad hominen arguments, why not answer those questions? His video series even quotes 1 Peter 3:15 (which ironically is also the subtitle of my blog), “…always ready to make a defense before everyone who demands of you…” Yet, does he make a defense or does he just ask you to take your questions elsewhere?

    As the kids would say, fail.

  • December 24, 2013 at 7:33 am
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    Imaginary defense of a ridiculous belief system based upon an imaginary jewish man.

  • December 24, 2013 at 7:41 am
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    How bad is it that the sheep are defending the Shepherds? Those small minded people in the Kingdom Halls are feeling the need to defend their beliefs. I think it’s a good thing because they see one of two things.

    1. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society needs to be defended.

    2. They are obviously aware of critical sentiments toward their beliefs.

    The WTBTS B.S. unravels so quickly and thoroughly that even a slight awareness of criticism will cause the suppressed questions in their heads out for a real answer. Which can be easily found…………… outside of WTBTS propaganda.

  • December 24, 2013 at 7:41 am
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    I wonder how long this Utube “service” will last. The site indicates it will present the lead articles of The Watchtower and Awake magazines each month. This is copyright infringement unless it is specifically authorized by The Watchtower Organization, just as reprinting of a letter by JW Survey was perceived as copyright infringement.

    Thus either the organization knows of an approves of JW Defense (and perhaps finances it), or JW Defense is essentially infringing on JW copyrights. The organization has its own website. Won’t it be a bit surprising if JW Defense is “allowed” to continue to be a jw.org “megaphone”?

  • December 24, 2013 at 7:56 am
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    ElearElda: “All accusations of lying are without any examples. In what points the apostates really lie?
    I am a former elder but still JW, but I faded and I will never come back. WTS will cover up much more than you probably even know [or even had right to know]. For example if an elder commit serious sin like fornication but hide it for more than couple of years, then confess to the body of elders, then there won’t be ANY judicial committee and he even won’t be deleted as an elder – nobody will ever know… [it’s in “Shepherd the Flock of God” – the secret book of elders that you shouldn’t even know about its existence!]. So even your view of the organization is far from complete. Why you accuse people of lying without any examples? It’s a slander! It’s nothing to do with 1Pe 3:15 “deep respect”.

    HE RESPONDED IMMEDIATELY

    JW Defence: “The video series on my channel will expose all apostate lies one topic at a time. I assume you felt betrayed when you learned all the “lies” you were being told by the society. I hope you have the same reaction when you find out all the real lies the apostates have told that you ended up believing and realize that the society never lied to you in the first place. Please stay tuned to future videos. Its not slander. Proof of lies are soon to come.”

    ElearElda: “We shall see… But you won’t find any proof in WTS literature. About many things you can’t know. I suppose you are not an elder or even ministerial servant. :-) So you are not in position to teach me. You saw only one side of arguments. There are also other about WTS – much darker than you imagine..

    How about any comment about not deleted elder without judicial committee?? Is it right? Have you heard about it? THAT IS ONLY ONE FACT…”

    No answer either for at least 4 hours.
    That’s just another frustrated kid.

  • December 24, 2013 at 8:51 am
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    Thanks for a well reasoned response to blatant slander.

  • December 24, 2013 at 9:52 am
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    Thank you Cedars!

    The fact that a defense video had to be made is evidence that the “apostate” rhetoric is taking root, making in roads, or creating enough curiosity that there there is a need to defend the organization and mobilize other witnesses against a burgeoning group of witnesses, ex-witnesses etc with very valid questions about our doctrine.

    Jehovah can fight his own battles…. He doesn’t need Youtube of Facebook.

    The problem is the opposition to dissenting opinions and opposing viewpoints that has been standard operating protocol for the GB right up to……. (wait for it)….. the proliferation of the internet. Ta daa!

    Thanks to the internet other witnesses are now realizing that there are other Curious and discerning humans who Jeh created with independent will and god given freedoms just like themselves, with questions about things we have been taught over the years and things that in our heart of hearts just doesn’t feel/seem right.

    Before the internet, we couldn’t ask questions or show our “ignorance” for fear we may appear to be turning away from the faith and be exposed.

    But thanks to Google…… we have found that there are others like ourselves that feel the same and there are scores of communities of people.

    That is dangerous to the society and needs to be squelched before it spreads..

    LOL!

  • December 24, 2013 at 9:52 am
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    Referring to “apostates”, the GB wrote
    “They seem inoculated with madness, Satanic hydrophobia [rabies]. Some of them smite us and then claim that we did the smiting. They are ready to say and write contemptible falsities and to stoop to do meanness.” (*** w94 7/1 p. 12 par. 11 At Which Table Are You Feeding? ***)!
    It is stupid to witness Jehovah being so harsh with “apostates”!! It reminds me how he killed his grand children according to the Watchtower, he killed Nephilim who were from sexual union of “the sons of the true God” who materialized and took “the daughters of men,” (http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=w07+6%2F1+pp.+4-7)

  • December 24, 2013 at 10:01 am
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    alexjamesisnotmyrealname, WORD!

  • December 24, 2013 at 10:04 am
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    Jmon75, WORD!

  • December 24, 2013 at 10:32 am
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    So far I haven’t seen any evidence that I’m an apostate:

    1. Luke 6:46 – “Why do you call me LORD?” I don’t claim in any way to be a follower of Jesus or call him Lord. As far as I, or anyone else knows, he has been dead for 2,000 years.

    2. Acts 20:30 “Draw away disciples after themselves” I have no intention, nor do I draw disciples. In fact, I don’t want any disciples for myself. 2 Peter 2:1 “Quietly bring in sects” Nope, I haven’t formed any sects that I know of, nor am I a part of a sect. I practice no religion at all.

    3. “They claim to serve Jehovah” Again, I don’t claim to serve any made up, non-existent gods, including Jehovah.

    Wow, thank you Watchtower for proving to me from the Bible that I am not an apostate! Now just tell your followers to stop calling me one.

    Nice article and video John.

  • December 24, 2013 at 11:00 am
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    Thanks for putting up this riposte to the shameful JW defence You Tube video.
    I cannot believe that I once believed that stuff.
    Thank you for showing us once again why this organisation simply cannot be representing the true God.
    I’d love to hear how the originators of JW Defence actually back up their slander.

    • December 24, 2013 at 11:29 am
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      It will be interesting to see, if indeed it will be possible to know, whether the JW bosses will get wind of this defense joker. He is surely breaking the rules by going freelance, even if he is simply parroting the official JW bilge.

  • December 24, 2013 at 11:28 am
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    Rowland, please do not mock sacred things. The BBC’s bisexual flying pink unicorns, which literature has repeatedly highlighted makes them bisexual pink pegacorns, are “truth” and we should be thankful that we live in an age where flying pink unicorns are being brought to our attention…

  • December 24, 2013 at 11:34 am
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    This is a blessing.

    JW Defence is either:

    1. An unauthorised site, in breach of copyright and should therefore be removed.

    Or:

    2. An authorised site, set up by the WTBTS, as a tool to disseminate their version of things.

    So, if we complain to the web hoster that JW Defence is in breach of copyright, and it is removed we know it’s a lone wolf. If it isn’t, then we have the WTBTS acting in an extremely underhand way.

    Either way, we win!

    How’s that for a non denominational winter festival present?

    Peace be with you

    Excelsior!

  • December 24, 2013 at 11:57 am
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    Many of you recall a few months back I posted a “family tree” of the free-thinking and anarchist influences that led to Adventism and later Russell’s take on it. I also highlighted that the Branch Davidians (Shepherd’s Rod) that led to Koresh and Waco, TX were a break off of 7DA with its focus on 144,000 (an obsession found among most Millenial Adventist groups). A new schism/offshoot…

    [Edit – link removed. Sorry JBob, I know you mean well but if that’s not an evangelical link I don’t know what is! – Cedars]

  • December 24, 2013 at 12:28 pm
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    Арам Азорин – Please can you make contact with me? My wife is Russian and in the cult and i find the language difference is hard to get her out. I would like your help.

    Арам Азорин – Пожалуйста, вы можете вступить в контакт со мной? Моя жена русская и в культе, и я нахожу разница язык трудно вытащить ее. Я хотел бы в вашей помощи.

    • December 24, 2013 at 12:55 pm
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      I am based in Moscow and have a working knowledge of Russian. If I can be of help in releasing your wife from the JW cult please let me know.

  • December 24, 2013 at 4:29 pm
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    I’m loving the comments you’re getting on this post cedars. Its refreshing to read intelligent people’s thoughts and responses to this sort of thing…with plenty of humour mixed throughout. I think the jokes only come naturally when reading of stories like this because sometimes the whole religion seems like a big joke…If only it weren’t so serious for so many still! No offense to all, but im glad cedars keeps filtering out other denominations’ propaganda from appearing on here also. Keeps it a top-notch blog :)

  • December 24, 2013 at 5:17 pm
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    Not a problem Cedars. I only offered it as more proof of the wacky.

  • December 24, 2013 at 6:38 pm
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    Mick, I appreciate your reminder that this is a serious thing–a matter of improving one’s emotional and physical health from Watchtower stresses.

    On this Youtube apologist profile states he is not “endorsed by JW.org”.

    In casually examining some of the more odd defenses–“numerology,” I note his defense is aimed at seizing and morphing the questions and charges into a JW propaganda tool.

    It indicates the poster has little knowledge of the real JW history of using some very arcane sources and twisting sources when none are available, or is diabolical in using Watchtower tactics to distort facts.

    The charge on numerology from dissenters and some orthodox sources is that Russell used pyramids and other “occult” ideas to prove the chronology projecting his end-time dates. The video prattles on and on regarding the significance of numbers in Scripture and never acknowledges sordid Watchtower history–greatly influenced by earlier Millerite authors and thinkers–of using pyramids and numerology for divination purposes. Video ignores some significant numbers in Watchtower beliefs–144,000, 2520, 1260, etc, etc.–while inserting a reference to Kabbalah using Hebrew/Aramaic letters as numbers. This was documented by the FFoC Iraneus documenting the numbers=letters of 666 and name of Ieosus as 888, although using Greek letters for the latter.

    This is typical JW tactic–build a false replica of the concept, then destroy the fake to discredit target concept.

    The approach & style used in argument and debate has a history back to John Thomas and Henry Grew.

  • December 24, 2013 at 7:32 pm
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    OK, it’s a pagan holiday that I am celebrating for only the 4th time since my release from my self inflicted bondage.

    So my gift to all of you is a joke.

    What is a Jehovah’s Witnesses favorite rock band?

    The Doors………………………………….. (break on through)

  • December 24, 2013 at 8:37 pm
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    There is something very typical about all these JW apologists’ YouTube channels:

    1. They never reveal their identities.

    2. They delete their accounts when losing a debate to an apostate.

    3. They never present any evidence (outside of the Bible) to support their claims and accusations, unless, of course, it has been tampered with.

    4. The information presented in their videos is all style and no substance. (Made to be accepted by JW’s but is rejected by the public at large.)

    5. They disable the comments feature on their YouTube pages. (Primarily to keep “apostates” from responding or asking questions.)

  • December 24, 2013 at 9:33 pm
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    If (and there is a big question mark over this) the WTBTS is behind this then they have made a serious error in judgment. One way to find out will be if the site is taken down due to copy right infringements. They are on very dangerous ground, because if it can be linked to them, then It would be the height of hypocrisy in that it isn’t allowable for the R&F to go out side the grounds of JW.org but totally ok for them. I think the fact that the narrator chose to not show his face and disguise his voice, is telling in that perhaps he knew he was not following the rules. BTW If it’s any consolation (I think due to the narrators slight off American accent) he may also be a Spanish speaker, or is fluent in another language.

  • December 25, 2013 at 1:23 am
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    very good work cedars!
    What I also found interesting is when you addressed what the media has said about JW, and that it is mainly concerned with Scientology, this is true, then you said (not sure of exact words) have the WTBTS got the media under their thumb, as so much is not reported that could be especially on child sexual abuse cover ups.

    I thought I was the only one suspicious of this also, I have often thought about this, as in my country Australia, there is an ongoing royal commission and nothing much has been said about JW, and nothing absolutely nothing in the media was reported about the Conti case here, nor has there been any mention about other cases that have made some papers overseas, yet here there is much about priests and other cases, but nothing on the news or in the papers about JW’s.
    Find that very odd!

  • December 25, 2013 at 3:41 am
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    Rowland Nelken – yes please bro! Its so difficult because she is hiding behind language. If i could get Russian pages like this and jwfacts and Russian support groups it might help.

  • December 25, 2013 at 3:50 am
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    Kat, it may be that the media have decided that Scientology is sexier to pursue. They have many celebrities and their shunning is far more extreme.

    Remember, the media is not out there as a noble holder of account only, it’s got to make money.

    I very much doubt that the WTBTS has some kind of deal with the media. Remember that the WTBTS has already warned its followers to distrust the media, to prepare for when they do eventually go after them.

    It may be that the WTBTS has sums invested in media companies. Maybe someone out their in the community could see if they could find out where the collection money is invested.

    If the Church of England can get its fingers burnt having shares on Wonga (a high interest lender in the UK) then it is entirely possible that the WTBTS has some skeletons there.

    I am saddened also at the lack of media attention to domestic violence and child abuse in the WTBTS. But Jesus demonstrates what a small group of people can do when they tell others about what they have found. It will take time, but the message that there are many things seriously wrong with Jehovah’s Witnesses is out there stronger each day.

    I commend all of you out there in the community who take time to inform us and others about what you know. Thank you

    Peace be with you

    Excelsior!

  • December 25, 2013 at 7:56 am
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    Kyle Racki,
    Who can serve Jehovah, a man made god?
    “This is what Jehovah says: ‘Here I am bringing against you calamity from within your own house;+ and before your own eyes, I will take your wives and give them to another man,*+ and he will lie down with your wives in broad daylight.*+ 12 Although you acted in secret,+ I will do this in front of all Israel and in broad daylight.” (http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwt/E/2013/10/12)

    Who can serve such a stupid god!

  • December 25, 2013 at 11:13 am
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    There is a good possibility that the site is for him. He is probably experiencing severe doubts about the organization, and is suppressing and challenging those doubts in a manner that seems productive to him.

    Comments are disabled to prevent those doubts from being fueled, and there’s probably also a control issue at play. In the congregation, and in his life, he lacks control, given the authoritarian nature of the organization. But his youtube channel? He controls it.

    In any event, the fact that comments are disabled sends a loud and clear message to those who may stumble upon his video that his beliefs do not stand up to scrutiny.

  • December 25, 2013 at 1:07 pm
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    he sounds scared of any negative response to his video, most JW cannot handle criticism about their organization, he may even in his mind blame apostates for those doubts. In a way I can’t help but feel a little sorry for him.

    If your reading any of these comments JW defender, be sure that most here have been where you are now and understand the conflict.

  • December 25, 2013 at 3:39 pm
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    First, I am not jw defender.

    But I tried to respond to Cedar’s objections in email but he stopped replying. If JW’s were afraid of objections, why do they go door-to-door? We meet people of all types of religious objections. Surely we would want to protect our gullible members. But that is not the case.

    • December 26, 2013 at 12:50 am
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      Rob, on what date was the email sent? I will gladly check my inbox and reply accordingly.

      You make it sound as though I didn’t reply because I didn’t want to or because you won some argument. I don’t appreciate having my motives impuned in that way. It is far more likely that I was simply too busy to respond, as is the case with lots of emails I receive.

      So, date please?

      And JWs don’t go door-to-door because they are fond of objections. They go door-to-door to “make disciples.” The objections are just an undesirable byproduct to what they perceive as a necessary work. If that is the kind of logic awaiting me in your email, I should have fun with it.

  • December 25, 2013 at 6:21 pm
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    Thank you Cedars!!!

    Amen to Mick!!!

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